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Hum noise happening when connect the AUX cable with laptop in ADAU1761

SigmaDSP & SigmaStudio Chris.Kuo Mar 7, 2022 00:00 3 replies Original on forum ↗
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Chris.Kuo Question
Mar 7, 2022 00:00

Dear

I am a EE working for a speaker maker. Honestly, I am new at acoustic industry even though have been a EE for a long time.

We have a speaker project using ADAU1761BCPZ as the DSP and here are the configurations.

The speaker have AUX in function and using a PSU(AC to DC) inside.

The AC cable only 2 wires without earth GND wire.

The condition is like below when issue happen.

One side of AUX cable has plugged into the speaker completely.

Another side of AUX cable plug into the audio jack of laptop, but not completely plug in, only the top segment of plug touch the audio jack, which means the left audio of speaker connect to the GND of laptop.

The hum noise happening when execute the above action.

I have tried to measure the waveform with oscilloscope but the humming was gone when the GND of probe connect to my PCBA of speaker.

My question are as below,

How to resolve the annoying hum noise?

What is the root cause leading to this issue?

It looks related to the GND connection but why?

As I know, speaker usually use 2 wires without earth GND instead the common plug with 3pin, why?

I really hope and need some one can give me some adivces or direction. I have tried to find the answer on internet for a while but useless. thanks.

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KJBob Reply
Mar 7, 2022 00:00

Hello,

Does the hum go away when powering your laptop from its battery? If so, the hum is caused by a ground loop between the speaker and laptop. Perhaps you have found the term, "ground loop," in your online research -- if not, go ahead and search for it. What's happening is that the EMI suppression capacitors present in most PSUs couple a small AC current from the mains power to their DC outputs. This current can develop line frequency AC voltages across any wire resistances found in the common connections in both your laptop and your speaker system -- which can be amplified and heard from the speaker. To minimize the hum, you need to make sure that any such current flows harmlessly, not allowed to develop voltages in sensitive areas of your system.

When I connect the headphone output of my (AC powered) laptop to my stereo system made by a famous manufacturer, I can hear ground loop hum -- showing that ground loops can be quite frustrating to deal with. This Wikipedia article might help.

Best regards,

Bob

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Chris.Kuo Reply
Mar 8, 2022 00:00

Hi Bob,

I am really grateful for your help. Yes, you are quite right. The term of “ground loop” I have found when I searched the answer online. I also found the humming disappear when I add a wire connecting the GND between speaker and Earth GND so that is why I ask the question why speaker usually use 2 wires AC cable rather than the common 3 pin AC cable with earth GND pin.

However, I want to thank you again and will try to figure out what is the “ground loop”.

Thank you for your great help.

DaveThib Reply
May 4, 2022 00:00

Hello Chris,

You hit the nail on the head by asking a very good question that has bothered me for years. Before my days at ADI I designed a preamp for the recording studio market. It was a single channel and so many people purchased them for use with audio workstations on a computer. My preamp was properly grounded with the third pin going to the chassis and to pin 1 of the XLR connectors. So many of the USB computer interfaces are either USB powered or powered by a 2-prong AC plug with no connection to ground. So they plug in my preamp and the entire system hums because now it is getting a proper ground through the audio system and so it picks up all this ground current for the USB interface and the computer and all the speakers connected etc. They blame it on my preamp when the issue is ALL the other stuff is not properly grounded!! The solution is to lift the ground on the preamp which is a horrible solution but is easy for the user to do. They usually cannot solder so they cannot lift the shield on the XLR cable.

I do not understand how all the safety organization, UL, CE, etc., can certify a power supply with no ground connection? The company that sells my preamp recently waved the white flag and started shipping units with power supplies that only have two prongs and no ground connection. So ground comes from whatever ground the computer has.

I have also found that USB implementations are all over the map as far as how they deal with ground. So you might find a unit might hum or have HF noise on one computer but not on another. They often have ferrite beads on the ground connection which is also really bad. Anyhow, you touched a nerve with me with your very good question.

Dave T